I started talking in a well-known discotheque in Puerto Madero with a French colleague, who, thanks to my high school from the 70s, asked me, and I understood him, where to find more open girls.
The man was an Air France pilot, and it was not the first time in Buenos Aires.
We took a taxi along Córdoba Avenue, heading to a well-known disco with the name of a reptile with a large, long-toothed mouth and enormous tail, known for a certain lucrative activity on the part of its pretty, by the way, female audience. He enjoys the rumor of having counted Bill Clinton himself among his diners.
When we enter, the Frenchman tells me, “yes, I came here the other time I was, I wanted to come here.”
As a foreigner, do you know any Argentinians living in your country? What is your relationship with that person?
Yes Yes. Of course!
I am Brazilian, and I know some, but I only have a more direct relationship with one: a woman from Buenos Aires.
She is a former coworker and friend. She knew she was not Brazilian when I heard her speak “azul” and “mesa” with the same Spanish pronunciations. We became friends quickly; she has adapted much to Brazilian culture in the last ten years. She married and had a child but always retained her accent. Ha ha ha. If the word in Portuguese is written identically in Spanish, there is no one to make it pronounce like in Portuguese, and it uses the grammar in a somewhat confusing way but reasonably well. Fortunately, it’s not a problem; we can understand her well, but sometimes she doesn’t understand what we say.
I remember the day I sat at a bar table with her, her husband, two Portuguese friends, and another Brazilian. Brazilians and Portuguese talk normally, and she looks like, “What the hell is going on here?” I like her, she is a lovely person!
However, I met many Argentinians here in Brazil since I worked extensively in tourism. I even had an Argentinian girlfriend from Santa Fe. We briefly lost touch with her when she returned to her city, but we talked occasionally. She is another person I love very much!
I have a great impression of Argentines. They are like brothers born in another country and speaking another language.
A big hug from Brazil!
What is marriage like between Argentines and foreigners?
Depends.
I know some happy ones and some more unhappy ones. Some are lucky, and some are not so lucky. Couples who have realized their dreams and others who have not yet been able to do so. As many variations as there are couples…
Nothing differs from all other marriages in any other country, with or without foreigners.
If I want to live in Spain, what should I know beforehand as an Argentina?
You must comply with the law; the rest is up to you. If you come with prejudice, and before coming, you are convinced that they will discriminate against or deceive you, it would be better to advise you not to come. If you come with an open mind, without fear, and determined to get ahead, this is your country. Spain is a quiet country that allows people to live and has a very good quality of life. Spain will give you the cards, depending on whether you know how to play them…
What should a foreigner know before moving to Argentina?
It depends on where that foreigner comes from… He has to be very sure of what he wants to do in Argentina, why, and for what purpose. It is a very pleasant and beautiful country, but very different from all the others due to its peculiarity.
How much does someone need to be considered “cheap” in Argentina?
Cheto is a fairly old-fashioned word, not about money or economic status but attitude, appearance, or aspirations. Dress more or less fashionable, go to “cool” places, and look like you don’t fit in among “good people.”
A Spaniard would call them “posh”. I have met many cheats in my life. I am from Olivos (northern area of Buenos Aires), and traditionally, those of us from around here were called that, although this had more to do with stereotypes or ignorance.
As a teenager, we went out with my friends from the neighborhood and went to distant areas. They always called us photos, even though we didn’t have a penny. We often went out without money and even traveled for free on public transportation. But the way we spoke and dressed (not because we had new or designer clothes, but simply because we looked more or less fashionable). As we moved away from metropolitan areas and ventured further afield, being very white or having light eyes automatically earned you the nickname Cheto. This was particularly accentuated when, in the 90s (Menem), national cumbia and popular “bailantas” began to become popular in a place where rock (foreign and national) always reigned.
Out of curiosity or fun, those who appeared in those places stood out from a distance as “ghettos.”
But I have known many for whom the nickname stuck. They were “resurrected lice” who wanted to belong or appear to have an upper-class lifestyle.
Today, in 2021, that almost doesn’t exist anymore. Whoever is high class doesn’t vent it. They are very low profile. And society is already very different. The “chemo” is a caricature more than a reality.
What subsidy programs are there in Argentina to help foreigners with a vulnerable situation (arriving with little money, difficulty finding a home, among others), and what are the conditions to access them?
Originally Answered: What subsidy programs are there in Argentina to help foreigners with a vulnerable situation (arriving with little money, difficulty finding a home, among others), and what are the conditions to access them?
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If you are going to come live, you must bring money, preferably already hired by a company, unless you are granted refugee status.
Entering the country is free if you do not have a criminal record and do so through immigration and customs.
Staying is free after requesting residency and providing a contract in stable employment and a fixed address.
To be left without it is to be an illegal immigrant like millions of Bolivians and Paraguayans.
In the case of Venezuela, there may be attention.
In Argentina, we are tired of being the idiots who give everything to foreigners paid for by our taxes.
We are tired of giving them health and education, overloading our already in-crisis system. But if we go to those countries, they even charge us for hypoallergenic tape and cotton.
Millions of Bolivians and Paraguayans abused the system in Argentina, encouraged by the Kirchners. They were given subsidies without asking for anything; irregular immigration was encouraged, money for doing nothing, for having children, and a blind eye was turned to public and private land occupations.
That is already changing. We don’t want more illegal immigrants. We have too much poverty and unemployment to go around importing poor people and giving them free because of our resources; the more Argentines are unemployed and have to wait in line for hours for a blood test behind hundreds of immigrants.
For what nationality can I apply if I am Argentine? Not descended from foreigners.
None. You would have to live in another country legally and, after a certain time of 5–10 years, ask for nationality; you would have to be of Italian, Spanish, Jewish, or other descent to be able to have the nationality of said country, if not, impossible.
Are there people who do not have any nationality?
Of course, there are 10 million people without nationality worldwide, and every 7 minutes, a “stateless” child is born. Perhaps it is read badly because many populist leaders or dictators (ahem… Maduro) use this term to describe someone who does not fight for their selfish causes. Still, the truth is that stateless means a person who does not have a nationality for one reason or another.
Discrimination is so strong in some countries that some communities are not recognized as citizens.
There are specific cases in which the country in which they were born no longer exists, so they do not have the current nationality of a current country.
A stateless person does not have a passport, so they cannot travel, they do not have the right to vote, they cannot work, much less retire.
According to the United Nations, the countries with the most stateless people are Burma, Ivory Coast, Latvia, Estonia, and the Dominican Republic.
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What perception does a native Argentina have of a naturalized one? Does He consider Him a compatriot or a foreigner?
Argentines generally consider a compatriot anyone who lives in the community and makes a minimum effort to integrate into it, regardless of their nationality or origin. Since our origins, we have been accustomed to this mix of nationalities. It is common to have a neighbor or relative who is Italian, Spanish, Polish, Paraguayan, Chilean, Uruguayan, Venezuelan, Russian, or Colombian. For centuries, Argentina received foreigners. And he continues to receive them: Russians escaping the war in Ukraine, Venezuelans, Colombians, Paraguayans, Bolivians, Uruguayans, Chileans. They all come to work and join our community. That is, if someone lives in the community, neighborhood, or city, they are automatically considered just another Argentine, regardless of what their identity document says or their accent.
I make some exceptions here:
1) The Chinese and Koreans who run supermarkets in the cities. For some reason, Argentines do not perceive them as compatriots. They are closed, read Chinese or Korean newspapers, listen to foreign music, and need to make more effort to learn or integrate our language.
2) “gringos” (foreigners from a developed country such as the United States, Canada, Germany, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Great Britain, New Zealand, Australia, and Austria) who have a foreign accent are not perceived as Argentinians, no matter what their document says, the number of years they have lived in the country, the amount of mate they drink or how passionate they are about soccer. They will always be perceived as foreigners at some point. This does not mean that they are segregated or rejected. Except that they are seen as people who, sooner or later, will return to their respective countries where their lives are more or less resolved. They will always be perceived as people who are “passing through” and are living the experience of being in a country where everything is a mess.
These perceptions are alright by any means. There is no xenophobia in Argentina since it is a country of immigrants. To be Argentine, you have to want to be and live in Argentina. The rest is painted cardboard.
How do I renounce Argentina nationality?
There is no legal form in Argentina. The only way is to acquire another nationality that does not have a dual nationality treaty with Argentina; in this case, you would renounce Argentine nationality within the laws of your new country, and the Argentine embassy would receive a notification. If the country has a dual nationality treaty, even if you do not complete the procedure, in most cases, you would retain both nationalities. There are FEW countries without this dual nationality treaty precisely because Argentina was born as a cosmopolitan country. Those that do not have such a treaty are likely not of interest to you to emigrate.
An alternative way to this, but much more complicated, would be to acquire two other nationalities: In general, few countries contemplate triple nationality, so you would lose Argentine nationality as you want. Remember that it is very difficult to find the exact combo, and most countries ask you to reside for a certain period to give you nationality, so it is an extremely impractical option. In some countries, you can exchange residency for huge investments, but if you were capable of those investments, you probably wouldn’t be asking this question because you wouldn’t care.
Theoretically, it should be possible to go to the Red Cross and ask for a humanitarian passport to “free” you from Argentine Nationality as a political refugee. But pretending that Argentina is in such a disastrous state to justify this is a bit fanciful, so I would also rule out that possibility.
If you want to continue living in Argentina and renounce your nationality, I fear it is completely impossible.
Why do so many Argentines have dual citizenship?
Simply because of Italian ancestry (the vast majority) or from other countries.
For example, many Argentines have at least one Italian ancestor. In Italy, as a citizenship law, the “ius sanguinis” governs (different from Argentina which is based on ius soli) according to this principle, whoever has blood (Italian in this case) is considered Italian by birth, so any person who can demonstrate Italian origins through, mainly, birth, marriage, death certificates and non-naturalization certificates of the Italian from which they descend, and the people who continue in the genealogical line, can request and obtain recognition of Italian citizenship. The same happens with Spain, a law limited to children of Spaniards only a while ago, or other countries. Many Argentines have citizenship, Italian, Spanish, Austrian, Swiss, etc.
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