What is a Ti-Ni loop?
The Ti-Ni loop is an introverted cognitive function process that most ISTPs endure because of their dominant thinking and tertiary intuition. They are the only introverted personality type to have a Ti-Ni loop. INFJs have Ni-Ti loops, but it’s not in the same order. This loop focuses on personal data, logic, and rationale supported by subconscious reasoning and understanding. Introverted thinking is supported by introverted intuition to receive insights or discover dreams and goals. ESTPs and ENFJs can also experience a loop between Ti-Ni or Ni-Ti; since they are extroverts, they are most likely to have an extroverted cognitive loop: Se-Fe vs. Fe-Se loop. Intuition is the ability to understand things with little learning or experience. This is strengthened when a personality type like ISTP normally concentrates on impersonal analysis, unconventional thinking, and open-minded rationale.
This loop affects the ISTP personality type. It arises out of stress.
In this situation, an ISTP is pondering their internal logical systems — engaging in logical analysis — and only or at least mostly seeing negatives for themselves. So, they check in with Ni, their discerning function, to see if that’s the case. Ni confirms the probable negativity of the situation, so they go back to Ti to re-analyze, thus forming the loop.
The solution is to use the second slot function, Se, to get more experiences and external information — is what you think is happening after all? Go outside and look into it. — and stop overthinking for a while. Physical exercise is always good in these situations, too. They can also use their fourth slot, Fe, to engage with others, expressing and comprehending emotions to better themselves.
What’s the difference between the Ti-Ni loop and the Ni-Ti loop?
The loop is the overuse of dominant/hero and child/tertiary functions and getting trapped in using both; the dominant function is used by ignoring the parent/aux function as a limiter to ‘pamper’ your child function. This will eventually exhaust you and cause negativity to the people around you, which may become the reason for them to attack your child’s function; then, you may be led into the grip of inferior function or worse, depression.
Ti-Ni loop in ISTPs happens as follows:
Ti is the judging function, and Ni is the perceiving function, so ISTPs in the loop will judge more than usual to fit what they perceive as a goal.
ISTPs will be overanalyzing (Ti) and think things too far to get something that matches what they envision as a goal in their future (Ni); Ni will not satisfied and will inform them that ‘something is missing or not enough to achieve the goal’ so they will have to re-think and re-analyze from the start with assumption that they must have missed something. This happens because ISTPs are ignoring the present reality perceived by the Se-parent.
ISTPs who accept reality or use Se-parent will not be trapped in the loop. To break the loop, ISTPs need to use reality around them as the detail included in their judgement and have their goal (Ni) reset to adapt to it.
While Ni-Ti loop in INFJs happens as follows:
Ni is the perceiving function, and Ti is the judging function, so INFJs in the loop will perceive more than usual to fit what they think is logical.
INFJs will be overusing their intuition (Ni) to satisfy what they judge as logical (Ti); Ti will not be satisfied and inform them that ‘it is not logical enough’, so INFJs in the loop will make up something by using their intuition to make it logical, dissatisfied Ti will keep judging INFJs or INFJs will be judged by people around them as ‘stupid’, so again INFJs will continue using their intuition to make up something yet again, to make it logical. INFJs in the loop will be harsh and prone to be ‘conspiracy theorists’. This happens because INFJs are ignoring ethics presented by Fe-parent.
INFJs who consider ethics (Fe-parent) or the feelings of people around them will not be trapped in the loop. To break the loop, INFJs need to connect with others and do good to others, such as giving gifts to the needy or the people they care about.
Hope this answers your question.
What’s the difference between the Ti-Ni loop and the Ni-Ti loop?
They are the loops of two very different types. The first function in the loop is the type’s dominant function, and the second function in the loop is the type’s tertiary (3rd) function. The dominant function should team up with the auxiliary function to function properly. But sometimes, in cases of stress, we end up operating differently. Sometimes, we flip into our shadow and become our opposite, but other times, the dominant function matches the tertiary function. That’s what’s called a loop.
In psychological and personality type theories, particularly within the framework of the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) and cognitive functions, the terms “Ni-Ti loop” and “Si-Ti loop” are used to describe patterns of cognitive functioning associated with specific personality types. These loops involve the combination of two cognitive functions: Introverted Intuition (Ni) and Introverted Thinking (Ti) in the case of Ni-Ti loop, and Introverted Sensing (Si) and Introverted Thinking (Ti) in the case of Si-Ti loop. Here’s a brief explanation of each:
- Ni-Ti Loop:
- Introverted Intuition (Ni): This function is associated with perceiving patterns, possibilities, and future implications. Individuals who prefer Ni often focus on the big picture and seek underlying meanings.
- Introverted Thinking (Ti): This function is concerned with analyzing and understanding concepts logically. Ti users seek precision and coherence in their thoughts.
- In a Ni-Ti loop, an individual may excessively rely on their Introverted Intuition and Introverted Thinking functions. This can lead to overthinking, analysis paralysis, and a tendency to withdraw into one’s inner thoughts. The individual may become detached from the external world, relying heavily on their subjective perceptions and analytical abilities. This loop can be associated with personality types like INTJ and INFJ.
- Si-Ti Loop:
- Introverted Sensing (Si): Si involves the perception and recall of concrete, detailed information from the past. Si users often focus on what is familiar and known.
- Introverted Thinking (Ti): This function, as mentioned earlier, is concerned with logical analysis and understanding of concepts.
- In a Si-Ti loop, an individual may excessively rely on their Introverted Sensing and Introverted Thinking functions. This can result in a hyper-focus on past experiences, routine, and an internal analysis of details. The individual may resist change, becoming overly cautious and perfectionistic. This loop can be associated with personality types like ISTJ and ISFJ.
It’s important to note that these loops are conceptual models used to understand specific patterns of behavior associated with cognitive functions. Personality is complex, and individuals may not always straightforwardly exhibit these loops. Additionally, personality theories and models, including the MBTI, have both supporters and critics within the psychological community. The descriptions provided here are based on the MBTI framework and should be interpreted with an awareness of its theoretical nature.
Ti is the dominant function in the Ti-Ni loop, and Ni is the tertiary function. There is only one type that fits that pattern: ISTP. Here is the function stack of ISTP:
I am using ISTP Ti-Ni Loop to describe the Ti-Ni Loop. The ISTP is an action-oriented type. But when they are in the loop of Ni, they stop acting. They get all these hunches and ideas and premonitions of what might go wrong, but they can’t make themselves take action.
Their fear of how things will turn out sends them back into a tailspin of obsessive thoughts. The stagnancy keeps them trapped in those thoughts rather than feeling free to take action and experience things as they normally want to.
Ni is the dominant function in the Ni-Ti loop, and Ti is the tertiary function. There is only one type that fits that pattern: INFJ. Here is the function stack of INFJ:
For a description of the INFJ loop, I am using the INFJ Ni-Ti Loop. INFJs need the interaction of other people (Fe their auxiliary function) to sort through the world’s facts. But when they are in the loop, they exclude other people and just loop from introverted intuition to introverted thinking. Normally, INFJs use Ti to collect data and facts. But when in the loop, when Fe is excluded:
They become so caught up in analyzing every little detail that they can overthink themselves into a chronic state of stress and doubt….[W]hen they use [Ti] in connection with their Ni, and without their Fe, it becomes a mess of over-analyzing and often coming up with somewhat outlandish theories.
Behaviourally, the difference is that:
- The ISTP in the Ti-Ni Loop stagnates and worries about terrible things that never happen.
- The INFJ in the Ni-Ti Loop shuts out other people and overthinks unimportant details, coming up with weird ideas that don’t work.
Both could be more productive.
How do NI and TI work together?
Introverted Intuition (Ni) and Introverted Thinking (Ti) are two cognitive functions in the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) framework. These functions often work in tandem, especially for individuals with INTJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging) and INFJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging) personality types. Here’s how Ni and Ti can work together:
- Pattern Recognition (Ni):
- Ni is Future-Oriented: Introverted intuition (Ni) is future-oriented and focuses on perceiving patterns, connections, and possibilities. It seeks to understand the underlying meaning and implications of information.
- Logical Analysis (Ti):
- Ti is Analytical: Introverted Thinking (Ti) is analytical and seeks precision and coherence in understanding concepts. It involves logical analysis, categorization, and the development of internal frameworks.
- Information Synthesis:
- Combining Patterns and Analysis: Individuals with Ni and Ti in their functional stack can often synthesize information by combining Ni’s pattern recognition with Ti’s logical analysis. They may form intricate mental models that help them understand complex systems or predict future outcomes.
- Strategic Thinking:
- Future-oriented Strategy: Ni-Ti collaboration can lead to strategic thinking. These individuals may use their intuitive insights to envision future scenarios and then employ logical analysis (Ti) to develop effective strategies for achieving their goals.
- Conceptual Understanding:
- In-Depth Understanding: Ni-Ti users strive for an in-depth understanding of the subjects that interest them. They may be drawn to abstract concepts and theories, seeking to uncover the fundamental principles underlying various phenomena.
- Critical Thinking:
- Critical Evaluation: Ti’s critical thinking complements Ni’s insights by providing a systematic and logical approach to evaluating information. This can help individuals with Ni-Ti to assess their ideas and refine their understanding critically.
- Holistic Problem-Solving: Ni-Ti collaboration allows for holistic problem-solving. These individuals may consider not only the immediate issues but also the broader context and potential long-term consequences.
- Personal Growth:
- Continuous Learning: The Ni-Ti pairing often fosters a desire for constant learning and personal growth. Individuals may engage in deep introspection, refining their understanding of themselves and the world around them.
It’s important to note that personality is dynamic, and individuals with Ni and Ti in their functional stack may express these functions in various ways based on their unique experiences, values, and development. The interaction of Ni and Ti is just one aspect of a person’s cognitive functioning within the broader context of their personality type.
How does the Ne-Ti loop work?
Originally Answered: How does the Ne-Si loop work?
The loop would primarily exist in xNxPs and xSxJs. Ne stands for extroverted intuition and introverted Sensing. Since you mentioned Ne before Si in your question, I assume you mainly talk about intuitive Perceivers. They use extroverted intuition to see the possibilities, theoretical probabilities, and future outcomes. They tend to be open-minded, unconventional, and expansive in their perception. Most loops require the dominant and tertiary cognitive functions—either extroverted or introverted—to have an enormous tug-of-war. Technically, this loop is not the same type and can occur more frequently. The NP personality type often represses their introverted Sensing to be divergent and different from the conventional normal. They find themselves going back and forth between being divergent or convergent, yin or yang, and conventional or unconventional. Introverted Sensing focuses on utilizing memory and remembers concrete, past details about what has happened. The function is largely traditional, which NPs typically dislike being associated with or towards. The SJs have the opposite issue as they have an elusive time being unconventional, divergent, and defiant of the established rules and regulations. They prefer order, tradition, and stricture, so going back and forth with the NP lifestyle is enough to send them into an uproar.
How do you know if you are in the Ni-Fi loop?
Here’s a response the silly, candy-coated, make-everybody-happy, say-only-positive-and-optimistic-themed personality sites won’t share.. this will be a fun one to answer.
The dreaded Ni-Fi loop. Mental quicksand. It’s the absolute worst feeling of stuck-ness with everything and everybody.
Something unexpected happens, things dont go as planned, a life-altering surprise disrupts the force, and then, suddenly.. nothing makes any rational sense. You are frustrated with everybody and everything. Your internal world gets projected outward. Rather than progress and efficiency, you find contradictions in everybody and everything. An INTJ in the grip of a really bad Ni-Fi loop is way out of character. Because you no longer understand anything, it is obvious that you are not yourself. It is obvious to everybody else that something is wrong with the one that is always right. It’s maddening for the INTJ and frustrating (yes, far more than typical everyday levels) for those around who are now being held accountable for the episode. And, because emotions are making the decisions now, our objectively trained minds can’t find any obvious pathway out of that mindset.
Our independent nature dictates that we deflect all offers of much-needed help. Take advice from the same people who relentlessly baffle us with their idiocy? Because we don’t outwardly show emotions well, we have no idea how to accept emotional help in our time of need. So, it is a nifty self-feeding cycle of mental madness.
Rather than deal with whatever knocked the train off its tracks, we tend to do even more damage instead. When Fi takes the top dog spot in the cognitive stack, Se follows. In the grip of inverted cognitive attributes, the epitome of unselfishness, mental passion, consistency and forward-thinking is looking for distractions rather than solutions. No. Don’t think. Thinking is painful. Can’t handle it right now. No. I don’t want your help. No. I don’t trust anybody or anything. My feelings are in control now.. and they don’t know how to care about me, so.. why should I care about anybody else?! I want negativity. Let’s get drunk and hit the casino. Let’s hide from the world and beat ourselves up for entertainment. Let us lash out at our perceived oppressors. Let’s be a toddler throwing a tantrum because the innocent guy in front of us at the grocery store forgot his wallet in his car.
That is the dreaded Ni-Fi loop when a stress response gets provoked. It’s not fun.
Eventually, time passes, and you realize. ‘Well, this isn’t working! Nothing is getting accomplished. Feelings suck my life out, and I am travelling backwards here?!’ The realization sinks in. This is not me. It’s time to re-evaluate this approach and turn around!
What is the unhealthy loop in Infj?
The concept of “unhealthy loops” in personality theory, particularly within the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) framework, refers to situations where individuals may over-rely on specific cognitive functions, leading to potential challenges in their psychological well-being and interpersonal interactions. For the INFJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging) personality type, the unhealthy loop often involves the overuse of introverted intuition (Ni) and introverted thinking (Ti), bypassing the auxiliary function of extraverted feeling (Fe). This loop is sometimes referred to as the Ni-Ti loop.
Here’s an overview of the dynamics of the Ni-Ti loop for INFJs:
- Introverted Intuition (Ni):
- Future-Oriented Perceptions: Ni is the dominant function for INFJs and is characterized by a focus on future-oriented perceptions, patterns, and possibilities. It involves an intuitive understanding of the deeper meanings and connections between various elements.
- Introverted Thinking (Ti):
- Analytical and Critical Thinking: Ti is the tertiary function for INFJs. When in a loop, it becomes more prominent, leading to heightened analytical and critical thinking. Ti seeks precision and logical coherence in understanding concepts.
Critical Dynamics of the Ni-Ti Loop:
- Overthinking and Analysis Paralysis: In the Ni-Ti loop, INFJs may overthink situations, analyzing them excessively. This can lead to a state of analysis paralysis, where the individual struggles to make decisions due to continuous internal analysis.
- Detachment from Emotions: The loop can result in a detachment from the INFJ’s usual empathetic and harmonizing nature associated with extraverted feeling (Fe). Emotions may be set aside or ignored in favor of a more detached, logical approach.
- Social Withdrawal: INFJs in a Ni-Ti loop may withdraw socially as they become absorbed in their internal thought processes. The focus on deep analysis and introspection can lead to a reduced desire for social interaction.
- Difficulty Expressing Feelings: As Fe takes a back seat, INFJs may find it challenging to express their feelings openly. The loop may hinder their ability to connect emotionally with others, leading to a sense of isolation.
- Balancing Functions: Recognizing the loop and consciously engaging the auxiliary function, extraverted feeling (Fe), can help restore balance. This involves reconnecting with emotions, considering the impact on others, and seeking harmony in social interactions.
- Mindfulness and Presence: Practicing mindfulness and staying present at the moment can help INFJs manage to overthink and bring their focus back to the external world.
It’s important to note that these dynamics are generalizations, and individual experiences may vary. Personality is complex, and people may move in and out of these loops based on various factors, including stress, life circumstances, and personal growth. Seeking self-awareness and balance is critical to personal development. If individuals find themselves consistently struggling with these patterns, seeking support from mental health professionals can be beneficial.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
The Ni-Fi loop slowly ends with a whole lot of introspection. Acceptance. Talking to somebody you deeply trust will help you regain trust.. in yourself. Stress responses erase self-confidence. Confidence is what fuels a healthy INTJ. All of the negativity and damage done has taken its toll.
It’s time to get the almighty Ni back on top and put Fi in its rightful place as a supporting role. Fi is not a good leader for a rational mind! So, this gets accomplished by rationalizing all of those pesky feelings that just had their way with your mind and took you for a nasty roller coaster ride.
For me, betrayal is the ultimate disappointment. An unfulfilled obligation of trust. By allowing my feelings to rule my mind, I betrayed myself. And that is a tough one for the INTJ personality. We like to turn our backs on those who betray us permanently. You can’t walk away from yourself! Highly illogical. So, it’s difficult to claw out of that hole.
Believe in the power of Ni to lead the way. Life goes on. Figure out what went wrong with the plan.. and step out of the mud!
Let Se assess the current situation. Let Fi assess whether or not the observations of Se align with your values and expectations. Hand that information to Ni to process. Ni will hand a perspective to Te. And, poof. A new, refined, revised objective has emerged! Form a logical plan to get there. And do what you were made to do. Navigate the obstacles and achieve the improbable!
The order has been restored. Everything is back in its proper place. The big picture took a beating, but what has appeared is equally amazing and even better.
Sure, you have some tough apologies for all that embarrassing out-of-character behaviour. At least now you know who your real friends are! Most importantly, you faced your dark side and gained an appreciation for your internal vulnerabilities. Live and learn. That’s life.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
As a side note, I suspect this is the connection that psychologists and psychiatrists lack perspective (or training or financial freedom) to consider. INTJs are already naturally misunderstood.. add bizarre personality imbalance to that. Watch how fast the check marks pile up on their diagnostic criteria. Intelligence is intimidating, and doctors dislike anybody questioning their motivations. Add some brain chemical-altering psychotropic medication and watch what that does to somebody! Might as well dump cement on the person stuck in quicksand. Back an INTJ into a corner and give them orders.. good luck with that approach!
To clarify, I believe those having difficulty maintaining ‘normal’ relationships or behaving in any kind of questionably dangerous should always get the help they need.
Being an INTJ in a nasty Ni-Fi loop is not a healthy life. Using personality type as any reasoning or justification does not grant amnesty! Take care of yourself.. yes, even if that means setting the pride aside long enough to get the help you need.
Masterminds are not bulletproof. If we were visionaries, we would have seen it coming! But we have the Ni.. so next time, we will.
When does the Ni Fi loop occur in INTJs? Or does it randomly occur?
It occurs when I emotionally invest in something that doesn’t work out as envisioned, such as relationships. When engaged in a relationship, INTJs tend to give 150%; we invest heavily in our relationships with emotion and logic. We do many things for our chosen beau, both romantic and practical; much of it is done without the knowledge of the significant other.
One of our biggest investments is our time. To receive the gift of our precious time makes you special, and if things don’t work out or a relationship ends abruptly without knowing why or what happened, we have a hard time letting go. We can play the relationship repeatedly in our heads to find out what went wrong to prevent the same occurrence in the future.
Ni is how we take in information, and it becomes our judging function; Fi is weighed against the knowledge taken in by Ni and made sense by way of Te; if we can’t make sense of something, we enter into the Ni, Fi loop until we can think aloud, discuss, or debate what happened to our full logical understanding. Once we can collect enough clues, evidence, and facts to support our theory of what happened, we can move on and break free from the loop.
What is the difference between the two types of loops?
In the context of personality types and cognitive functions, the two types of loops often referred to are the Ni-Ti loop and the Si-Ti loop. These loops involve specific pairs of cognitive functions within the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (MBTI) framework. Let’s explore the key differences between the Ni-Ti loop and the Si-Ti loop:
- Ni-Ti Loop:
- Dominant Functions: Ni (Introverted Intuition) and Ti (Introverted Thinking)
- Associated Types: Primarily associated with INTJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging) and INFJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging) personality types.
- Description: In the Ni-Ti loop, individuals excessively rely on their dominant function (Ni) and tertiary function (Ti), bypassing the auxiliary function (Fe for INFJs). This can lead to overthinking, analysis paralysis, social withdrawal, and a detachment from emotions. Individuals may become absorbed in internal analysis and struggle with expressing their feelings.
- Si-Ti Loop:
- Dominant Functions: Si (Introverted Sensing) and Ti (Introverted Thinking)
- Associated Types: Primarily associated with ISTJ (Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging) and ISFJ (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging) personality types.
- Description: In the Si-Ti loop, individuals excessively rely on their dominant function (Si) and tertiary function (Ti), bypassing the auxiliary function (Fe for ISFJs). This can lead to a hyper-focus on past experiences, routine, perfectionism, and resistance to change. Individuals may become overly cautious and may struggle with adapting to new situations.
- Dominant Functions: The primary difference lies in the dominant functions involved. Ni-Ti involves Introverted Intuition (Ni) and Introverted Thinking (Ti), while Si-Ti involves Introverted Sensing (Si) and Introverted Thinking (Ti).
- Associated Types: The types associated with these loops differ. Ni-Ti is primarily associated with INTJ and INFJ, while Si-Ti is associated with ISTJ and ISFJ.
- Focus and Patterns: Ni-Ti loop involves a focus on future-oriented perceptions, patterns, and possibilities. Si-Ti loop involves a focus on past experiences, details, and a preference for routine.
- Challenges: Ni-Ti loop is often associated with overthinking and detachment from emotions. Si-Ti loop is associated with perfectionism and resistance to change.
- Social Interaction: Ni-Ti loop may lead to social withdrawal and difficulty expressing feelings. Si-Ti loop may result in a resistance to change and a preference for the familiar, impacting adaptability.
It’s important to note that while these loops are useful concepts for understanding certain patterns of behavior, personality is multifaceted, and individuals may exhibit a range of behaviors and preferences based on various factors, including their unique experiences and personal growth.
How would you describe an Fi-Si loop and an Ni-Fi loop? How would you be able to identify them?
Thanks for asking the question. I’ll respond to the first as an INFP (Fi-Si)
Fi- core values, understanding of inner emotions and temperament. Being able to relate based on experience.
Si- senses are tied to memory, subjective and open to interpretation, eating green apple Jolly Ranchers (reminds you of being on the beach in 2004).
Fi-Si loop: When you feel a fundamental shift in your reality, usually caused by losing a job or loved ones (family member, partner, spouse, best friend). Usually, when you realize that your Fi is completely different than “reality” (or perhaps other people’s Fe). Causes you to go into Si; everything reminds you of the tragedy; you have hundreds of similar examples in your memory. Looking at a dead sparrow reminds you of the delicacy of life and incontrovertibly of death. And you start weeping uncontrollably. When my father had a heart transplant, everything reminded me of life’s randomness and tragedy. I started doubting everything, doubting God, and remembering my past when I had doubted God as a teenager.
What does the ISTP Ti-Ni loop look like?
Istp ti-ni loop has a hard time using its inferior function being fe; thus, in a loop, steps tend to forget other people have feelings, which will show in their actions. Missing out on something for a loved one, thinking it’s no big deal; however, they hurt their feelings, but an addict will act like it’s insignificant and all their actions are right in their mind. Lose their temper and overreact, then feel stupid about it, and even if they apologize, it will be very subtle because when in a loop, steps become stubborn. Insult others and think of it as funny or mess with them on purpose with no thought. Critical of others, becoming detached from humanity in the process and may treat other people like programs. Fixated on irrational future implications, impulsive and not finish through with things, assumes they are always right. They feel like there’s nothing they can do to stop this bad thing from happening that they have in their head, or there’s no point in trying because they think it’s already doomed. Inherit on such failure, whatever it may be. End up relying on addictive or hedonistic behaviour to cover up guilt, sadness, or negative emotions. Care about what others think and wanting to fit in might take to certain extents, like lashing out at others if they don’t get their way. I see this more in younger steps who feel excluded or don’t fit in even if they do, so they do anything to fit in. I saw you trying to differentiate between the ti-ni loop and the ni-ti loop, and I could go on about the INFJ loop if you want to, but usually, the istp will end up relying on their ni and infj on their ti. Also, you look at their extroverted functions and a looping infj in their inferior se and steps in their inferior Fe when both are unhealthy.
Why are INTJs described as colder than ISTPs?
Imagine someone bursts out in tears:
ISTP at least wants to try and keep people happy. Even if they’re blind to it most of the time, they tend to tease a lot but never to hurt you (if they wanted to hurt you, it’d be physical. They’re not like ESTP, who may initiate consistent bullying. If an ISTP hates you somehow they’ll avoid you… and maybe dismantle your car at night). ISTP can also be charming and social despite being an Introverted leading type.
INTJ will give you the truth if you burst out in tears.
None of the “It’s okay, let it all out”, but more often, “It is rational of you to cry right now. Here is the solution to your discomfort” or “I understand why you are emotional, but you could have taken a better approach.” Don’t get me wrong; contrary to popular belief, INTJs will know when shutting up is better (maybe just mature ones).
How do ISTPs act as if they have developed Fe?
I’m a female ISTP with developed Fe. I used to have social anxiety level 10; now it’s level 0–3, depending on the situation, very manageable.
When I’m around people I like and feel comfortable with, I sometimes look more like an ENFJ (perhaps I transition into my ENFJ Subconscious?); I feel socially confident and charismatic. I will initiate conversation, ask people about themselves, I’ll joke around, smile and laugh, playfully roast and push my male friends, and I’ll remember certain things they had told me before and ask a follow-up question (a guy told me he was going to get an MRI for his knee, the next week I asked him how it went).
I will comment on their haircut or other aesthetic things I like. I asked an ESFP, “What’s that on your face?” He said, “eczema.” I said, “Oh, well, you’re still good-looking anyway.”
I have an ENFP friend I’ll talk with about typology, and my ESTP and ISFP coaches, I can sometimes talk about deeper topics, too (we have that natural camaraderie).
I’m well-liked for the most part. And I do enjoy thinker women over feeler women. I don’t enjoy ESFJ women; maybe if I’m in a really good mood, I can think, “I guess she’s not so bad,” but that is short-lived; they always get on my nerves somehow. So, I’ll still avoid people I don’t like or want to be around. I can still be fake-nice, but I hate doing that; it just feels so fake, and it’s painful, so it’s better to avoid or try to find something to like about a person so I can focus on that and maintain my authenticity (not sure that will make sense the way I explained it).
If I’m around people I don’t know well or don’t feel comfortable around, I can be very quiet and more responsive. Suppose I have a lot of positive energy. In that case, I may attempt to converse with someone who looks interesting or attractive, and depending on how that goes, I’ll politely end the conversation because the convo is either awkward or boring or the person turns out to be interesting, and I enjoy the convo.
If I’m feeling down that day, I’ll be quieter and off to myself.
How do I know if I’m an INFJ in a Ni-Ti loop or an ISTP in a Ti-Ni loop?
The ISTP and INFJ are very different beasts despite using the same functions and, in most cases, pretty simple to tell apart. I’m assuming by the question that you are in an asocial mode, probably at home alone, ruminating about something, and you don’t want to be disturbed. Okay, so what happens if you are? Say someone rings the doorbell unexpectedly; what do you do? If you throw the door open in your underpants, asking: “Who are you, and what the hell do you want!?” you’re ISTP. If you keep silent and pretend not to be home, you’re INFJ. Should this be impossible, you should pass by a mirror on the way to the door and spend a moment on impression management.
The ISTP annoyance will override any other feelings here, while the INFJ will be angry but also feel other stuff; if in the Ni-Ti loop, they’d likely be worried about someone calling uninvited rather than curious. The ISTP will be overtly vexed, worst case hostile even; the INFJ will be polite but icy and may become passive-aggressive, showing the other one is disturbing but not telling them outright, possibly even denying it if asked.
Myers-Briggs Type Indicator: What’s the difference between Ni and Ti?
Ni is a perceiving function. This means that its primary concern is perceiving, observing, understanding, and cataloguing the world of sensory data. In this way, Ni is similar to Si in the sense that it stockpiles vast quantities of impressions that it stores away in an internal library of sorts – the only difference is that while Si information is related to sensory impressions (sight, sound, touch, smell, taste) that can be contrasted against current experiences to discern any potential differences, Ni information is related to abstract impressions that are used to intuit connections. In this manner, Ni can identify the patterns between, and the core “essence” of, seemingly unrelated ideas or events.
Ti, on the other hand, is a judging function. This means that – unlike the perceiving functions – it directly shapes and interacts with its internal world. The primary goal of Ti is to eliminate redundancies until all that remains is a set of principles that can be applied and used to understand the mechanics of any system of logic. In this way, it is extremely similar to Fi. Except where Fi is applying its system of checks and balances to its value system to ensure that all of its moral sensibilities are aligned, Ti is applying this same concept by weighing its logical principles against itself to ensure there are no internal inconsistencies.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
Ni links different ideas by noticing similarities to paint a unified, cohesive picture of the whole. Ti dismantles ideas from the inside out until it has identified a set of logical core principles for operation.
Just for shits and giggles, here’s the first essay I ever tried to write about MBTI: a comparison between INTJs and INTPs, and the differing ways Ni and Ti process information.
INTJs are like a mountain. Over time, sheets of sediment are built up, depositing over top of one another again and again and again. A mountain takes hundreds of thousands of years to form, and Ni is similarly slow out of the gate. Igneous, sedimentary, metamorphic rocks pile and press over one another to create layer after layer of solid material. Weather grinds down the mountainside – wind, snow, sleet, hail, and rain all hone the mountain’s many layers into a peak.
This is how INTJs work. Their opinions are formed by aggregating information they’ve perceived over time. Once they have enough pieces of the puzzle to fit together – in other words, once they have enough information – their brain makes an intuitive leap to the conclusion. They reach an answer: the peak of their mountain. The summit is the end of their journey, their best guess, given all of the complex layers of information that they’ve stored up over time. If the INTJ is like a slowly forming mountain, and Ni’s conclusion is the peak, then the weather is the INTJ’s internal process of trying to maximize the efficiency of their actions and thought process.
INTPs are the opposite. Where an INTJ will take all of the information already known to conclude, INTPs will freely discard information that does not balance correctly on their internal scale – this is Ti at work instead of Ni. In this way, if INTJs are builders, then INTPs are more like percolators. INTJs build up to a conclusion using all of the information in their external world available to them. At the same time, INTPs look to narrow their conclusion down to one underlying rule or principle based on the evidence that best fits into their internal model.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
An INTP will accumulate information and quickly, gradually, and automatically sift and filter it through many layers of internal logic to reach the most likely conclusion. INTPs are the rule, and INTJs are the application.
In this way, INTJs and INTPs – who are both incredibly intellectually curious, love learning, and are devoted to the pursuit of truth, accuracy, and honesty – are remarkably adept at locating the most logical, rational, and reasonable position in a pile of useless, inefficient, and unnecessary rules.
In other words, INTJs and INTPs are crossing the same lake but using two completely different methods to get it done.
TI sees where each piece fits. It sees the direct correlation between each piece of information. It sees things as an equation. It discerns what each piece is and its function in the overall system. It understands what each thing is. It leads to accuracy but needs to acknowledge the potentialities. Ti can understand each piece and its relation but fails to jump to conclusions.
Ni sees what is the potential correlation of the pieces. It sees patterns and concludes the likely outcome of things by comparing patterns. It sees things in themes. It can relate cause and consequence without understanding where each piece fits. It leads to forecasting but with little accuracy. Ni can jump to conclusions but needs to see the details with precision.
What’s the difference between Ni and Ti?
Ni builds detailed models of the world based on observing to collect data and put it into a mental scrapbook that forms a great, deficient individual model of the world.
Ti is about processing, taking all your data and analyzing it to extrapolate many possible outcomes / feasible scenarios – then picking the most interesting/likely from the grey mass of all possibilities.
Ni builds stubborn, solid models, especially when backed by Te.
Ti is about refining a continuous spectrum of possibilities for the best answer, especially when fueled by Ne.
It’s the difference between planning the best driving route but needing help adjusting for unplanned traffic issues (Ni) and learning enough of the map to continuously adjust/optimize your route until you reach the destination (Ti). Option one will work better for most journeys – option two helps find shortcuts and is more adaptable to issues.
As an INFJ stuck in the Ni-Ti loop, how can I improve my mental health?
The answer to this one is simple, one that people have given far before me: Indulge your extroverted functions, your Fe and Se. You’ve gotten too introverted (yes, it’s possible) and starved for social contact, so it’s time to be brave and throw yourself out of your comfort zone.
Here are some suggestions on how to do so:
- Go to a park/beach/anywhere with nature
In general, get outside and feel the world for yourself. If you’re socially anxious, no worries; it doesn’t have to be with another person, though that is the next big step. Plenty of INFJs inexplicably love nature (myself included), so get out there and take a walk on a beach, boardwalk or park. If there isn’t any nature within driving distance, you’re living in the wrong place as an INFJ.
Somehow, being around nature makes you feel alive and plants (nature pun) you in reality while allowing your thoughts to wander. In other words, it gives you a healthy dosage of Fe and Se while never constricting your Ni.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
- Be brave and express yourself!
Do you constantly feel unemotional, frustrated or ready to cry at any moment? Those are signs of a starved Fe. Feed that Fe the same way you would fill your stomach. Let yourself cry when you feel the need. Get out there and… take a dance class, I don’t know.
Seriously, though, push yourself into more emotionally active settings. Do you have something you’re passionate about? Indulge that passion, unless it’s an addiction, of course. Have you always wondered what your singing voice sounds like? Find out. Perhaps you have a musical passion that you never explored. Do that. Anything that makes you feel alive and permits you to express that passion is exactly what you need. Writing in a journal helps as well.
- Be just as brave and seek intimate relationships.
Sometimes, “getting out there!” exhausts you further. In this case, seek out like-minded people and develop relationships with them. More often than not, they’re just as lonely as you are and could use some company. Other times, if you’re in a Ni-Ti Loop, you might have neglected a few old friendships. Now is the time to call your old friends and ask to hang out again. Assuming you didn’t ghost them for a reason, of course.
All in all, the solution is to achieve balance. You’ve become too private and allowed your Ni and Ti to create theoretical moments with people you care about that never happened. If you have high social anxiety or low self-esteem, the chances are that these theoretical interactions were more negative than positive. Centre yourself in reality and talk to people who matter so much to you. If you’re convinced through the Ni-Ti Loop that someone will act a certain way, you’ll often get to prove yourself happily wrong.
What is a Ti-Ni loop?
I hope this helped. Thank you for the A2A.
Talk to and hang out with people you can trust.
You need to nurture your extroverted feelings (Fe).
Certain life events could have made you “discard” all your emotional capacities. Still, as an INFJ, you need constant positive emotions from people to interact with the world properly. Your Fe is the door through which you naturally interact with the world.
Are infants prone to depression? Why/ why not?
Yes. Why? Here are some reasons:
- We are lonely. Most INFJs spend their whole lives not being understood by people, and when they were growing up as children, it was very hard for them because they are highly sensitive. (Some cultures, like in Asia, see this as a weakness and criticise them) and misunderstood by parents and friends.
- We are private individuals; most INFJs are very private about everything. They keep many things to themselves; it avoids the pain of people rejecting/criticising how you think and who you are. You might have an INFJ best friend, but you only know 70% of what goes on in their lives. They also don’t like to hinder people that way. No one knows me 70%, unfortunately.
- We are mostly in one-sided relationships; INFJs care for people, and sometimes people abuse that fact. They use us only when they have problems or to abuse our kindness somehow. Because of this, some INFJs feel like they are not friends with this person, and it gets very lonely.
- Bipolar tendencies: A part of INFJs seems very “bipolar”. Sometimes, we like being around friends and family because we feel good, but sometimes, we hate being around people because we must cater to their emotional needs and unwind. This can cause friends around the INFJ and the INFJ themself to feel confused. So, INFJs don’t understand themselves, leading to them feeling depressed.
- We are very romantic people, and because of this, most INFJs feel let down by people they put very high expectations on and this corrupt, realistic world we live in. We also have very morally strong beliefs that will contradict other people(other people’s expectations/perceptions of us). This can disappoint an INFJ, and they learn never to expect anything from people.